Head Dress Boxes for Indianette Cap., Lt. & Indian Twirlers

[87NDN]

that sums it up

[bark]

Well said.  Mrs. Briggs needs to listen to the students/parents of the participants.  The money issue is bogus in that most, if not all band/drill kiddos have taken private dance lessons, music, twirling etc...

Let the traditions continue, there are bigger issues to handle.  My daughter was a Indianette Officier and we went through the same thing.  Talk to your Board members, Supt., and Principal.  Believe me in ALL districts the folks the stand up and talk loud and to everyone usually prevail.  Remember the Board is  elected to serve the voters and what the voters want.

[Torino]

I realize this may step on some folks toes, but if you are at PNG and DON'T BELIEVE IN TRADITION THEN YOU ARE AT THE WRONG PLACE AND MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR GO TO SOME OTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS LITTLE OR NO TRADITION.  PNG is rich in tradition, always has been and always will be.  It is the tradition that us the most envied state wide.  Not  because we excell as the best band, drill team, softball/baseball team, football team, tennis team, golf team, soccer team, or anyother atheletic team or scholastic team.  It is the honor, pride and tradition that those who have walked the halls as students, those who came back to teach here, work and live here so their kids can experience the tradition, etc.  Those folks are PNG High School and they always will be.  You can travel across the country wearing a PNG T-shirt and you will be dang lucky if someone doesn't stop you.  They are either one of us, wish they had been one of us or heard of us.  How do you think that PNG got the priviledge of being requested to play at the Dave Campbell Classic in San Antonio?  It is in part due to the tradition of our fan base.  For the parents and students who have encountered the problems with sponsors that don't like tradition my heart truly goes out to you.  That being said, I still have to say DON'T GIVE UP ON TRADITION AND DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP TRADITION ALIVE.  This same type of thing happend in 2006 and those fighting for tradition finally prevailed because they continued to pursue the issue with the right folks in administration who believe that the values of honor, pride and tradition are what make our school what it is today.

What happened in 2006?

[87NDN]

I am hearing the JR twirlers parents are getting organized .good luck let me know if I can help

[PNGROW4650YRDLN]

I realize this may step on some folks toes, but if you are at PNG and DON'T BELIEVE IN TRADITION THEN YOU ARE AT THE WRONG PLACE AND MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR GO TO SOME OTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS LITTLE OR NO TRADITION.  PNG is rich in tradition, always has been and always will be.  It is the tradition that us the most envied state wide.  Not  because we excell as the best band, drill team, softball/baseball team, football team, tennis team, golf team, soccer team, or anyother atheletic team or scholastic team.  It is the honor, pride and tradition that those who have walked the halls as students, those who came back to teach here, work and live here so their kids can experience the tradition, etc.  Those folks are PNG High School and they always will be.  You can travel across the country wearing a PNG T-shirt and you will be dang lucky if someone doesn't stop you.  They are either one of us, wish they had been one of us or heard of us.  How do you think that PNG got the priviledge of being requested to play at the Dave Campbell Classic in San Antonio?  It is in part due to the tradition of our fan base.  For the parents and students who have encountered the problems with sponsors that don't like tradition my heart truly goes out to you.  That being said, I still have to say DON'T GIVE UP ON TRADITION AND DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP TRADITION ALIVE.  This same type of thing happend in 2006 and those fighting for tradition finally prevailed because they continued to pursue the issue with the right folks in administration who believe that the values of honor, pride and tradition are what make our school what it is today.

What happened in 2006?

It was similiar in nature.  I believe it was the Indianette sponsor that didn't want some kind of tradition continued for whatever reason.  The sponsor was new, came from a rival school and for some reason, and I may be wrong, but seems like her name was Briggs. Just thought about that, could this be the same person?  If so sounds like she is still trying to undermine tradition and is on a power trip.  Don't give up, speak up loud and long, put on the war paint, gather the rest of tribe, go to the chief and fight like the INDIAN NATION forefathers to keep the traditions alive.

[pngmom4]

I realize this may step on some folks toes, but if you are at PNG and DON'T BELIEVE IN TRADITION THEN YOU ARE AT THE WRONG PLACE AND MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR GO TO SOME OTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS LITTLE OR NO TRADITION.  PNG is rich in tradition, always has been and always will be.  It is the tradition that us the most envied state wide.  Not  because we excell as the best band, drill team, softball/baseball team, football team, tennis team, golf team, soccer team, or anyother atheletic team or scholastic team.  It is the honor, pride and tradition that those who have walked the halls as students, those who came back to teach here, work and live here so their kids can experience the tradition, etc.  Those folks are PNG High School and they always will be.  You can travel across the country wearing a PNG T-shirt and you will be dang lucky if someone doesn't stop you.  They are either one of us, wish they had been one of us or heard of us.  How do you think that PNG got the priviledge of being requested to play at the Dave Campbell Classic in San Antonio?  It is in part due to the tradition of our fan base.  For the parents and students who have encountered the problems with sponsors that don't like tradition my heart truly goes out to you.  That being said, I still have to say DON'T GIVE UP ON TRADITION AND DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP TRADITION ALIVE.  This same type of thing happend in 2006 and those fighting for tradition finally prevailed because they continued to pursue the issue with the right folks in administration who believe that the values of honor, pride and tradition are what make our school what it is today.

What happened in 2006?

It was similiar in nature.  I believe it was the Indianette sponsor that didn't want some kind of tradition continued for whatever reason.  The sponsor was new, came from a rival school and for some reason, and I may be wrong, but seems like her name was Briggs. Just thought about that, could this be the same person?  If so sounds like she is still trying to undermine tradition and is on a power trip.  Don't give up, speak up loud and long, put on the war paint, gather the rest of tribe, go to the chief and fight like the INDIAN NATION forefathers to keep the traditions alive.

If you are taling about the Indianette sponsor, she is the sister in law to a former indianette.

[bamakid]

I realize this may step on some folks toes, but if you are at PNG and DON'T BELIEVE IN TRADITION THEN YOU ARE AT THE WRONG PLACE AND MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR GO TO SOME OTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS LITTLE OR NO TRADITION.  PNG is rich in tradition, always has been and always will be.  It is the tradition that us the most envied state wide.  Not  because we excell as the best band, drill team, softball/baseball team, football team, tennis team, golf team, soccer team, or anyother atheletic team or scholastic team.  It is the honor, pride and tradition that those who have walked the halls as students, those who came back to teach here, work and live here so their kids can experience the tradition, etc.  Those folks are PNG High School and they always will be.  You can travel across the country wearing a PNG T-shirt and you will be dang lucky if someone doesn't stop you.  They are either one of us, wish they had been one of us or heard of us.  How do you think that PNG got the priviledge of being requested to play at the Dave Campbell Classic in San Antonio?  It is in part due to the tradition of our fan base.  For the parents and students who have encountered the problems with sponsors that don't like tradition my heart truly goes out to you.  That being said, I still have to say DON'T GIVE UP ON TRADITION AND DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP TRADITION ALIVE.  This same type of thing happend in 2006 and those fighting for tradition finally prevailed because they continued to pursue the issue with the right folks in administration who believe that the values of honor, pride and tradition are what make our school what it is today.

What happened in 2006?

It was similiar in nature.  I believe it was the Indianette sponsor that didn't want some kind of tradition continued for whatever reason.  The sponsor was new, came from a rival school and for some reason, and I may be wrong, but seems like her name was Briggs. Just thought about that, could this be the same person?  If so sounds like she is still trying to undermine tradition and is on a power trip.  Don't give up, speak up loud and long, put on the war paint, gather the rest of tribe, go to the chief and fight like the INDIAN NATION forefathers to keep the traditions alive.

The Mrs. Briggs that is the Assistant Principal is not the Indianette Director and to my knowledge never has been. The current Indianette Director, Mrs. Nichols, took over in 2007, and I don't believe she came to PN-G from a rival school.

[PNGROW4650YRDLN]

I realize this may step on some folks toes, but if you are at PNG and DON'T BELIEVE IN TRADITION THEN YOU ARE AT THE WRONG PLACE AND MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM OR GO TO SOME OTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS LITTLE OR NO TRADITION.  PNG is rich in tradition, always has been and always will be.  It is the tradition that us the most envied state wide.  Not  because we excell as the best band, drill team, softball/baseball team, football team, tennis team, golf team, soccer team, or anyother atheletic team or scholastic team.  It is the honor, pride and tradition that those who have walked the halls as students, those who came back to teach here, work and live here so their kids can experience the tradition, etc.  Those folks are PNG High School and they always will be.  You can travel across the country wearing a PNG T-shirt and you will be dang lucky if someone doesn't stop you.  They are either one of us, wish they had been one of us or heard of us.  How do you think that PNG got the priviledge of being requested to play at the Dave Campbell Classic in San Antonio?  It is in part due to the tradition of our fan base.  For the parents and students who have encountered the problems with sponsors that don't like tradition my heart truly goes out to you.  That being said, I still have to say DON'T GIVE UP ON TRADITION AND DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP TRADITION ALIVE.  This same type of thing happend in 2006 and those fighting for tradition finally prevailed because they continued to pursue the issue with the right folks in administration who believe that the values of honor, pride and tradition are what make our school what it is today.

What happened in 2006?

It was similiar in nature.  I believe it was the Indianette sponsor that didn't want some kind of tradition continued for whatever reason.  The sponsor was new, came from a rival school and for some reason, and I may be wrong, but seems like her name was Briggs. Just thought about that, could this be the same person?  If so sounds like she is still trying to undermine tradition and is on a power trip.  Don't give up, speak up loud and long, put on the war paint, gather the rest of tribe, go to the chief and fight like the INDIAN NATION forefathers to keep the traditions alive.

The Mrs. Briggs that is the Assistant Principal is not the Indianette Director and to my knowledge never has been. The current Indianette Director, Mrs. Nichols, took over in 2007, and I don't believe she came to PN-G from a rival school.

I am referring to the sponsor in the 2005 football season.  She came from a rival school. 

[61ndn,row46,50ydln]

Not having any daughters kept me from getting to parent a Indianette, cheerleader or twirler.  As the proud parent of two sons who competed in PNG sports, I wanted them to enjoy them to the fullest.  I went to bat for them as both of them participated in minor sports and one played football as well.  Part of the time I felt like we were trying to swim upstream but we hung tough and made it.  That is what parents of these young ladies are going to have to do too. I would go before the school board and our new superintendent and see what you can accomplish.   We were at Dollywood several years ago on vacation and my Dad had on a PN-G cap.  Someone from Dallas asked him what kind of season we were expecting come football season. That is something to be proud of; just about anywhere you go, someone is going to recognize that purple and white PN-G.    Our INDIAN NATION is built on HONOR, PRIDE, AND TRADITION.  In my opinion, any one employed in this district should support those values.  If not, they are free to seek employment in other districts that do not hold those as qualities of great value.  They work for the tax payers in this district, which is me, you, and the parents of these girls.  Don't tell me I can't pray when I want to, pledge allegiance to my flag, and stand up and holler for my INDIANS.  Do that and as Merle says "you're getting on the fighting side of me."

[bark]

In Sundays Bmt. Enterprise Supt. Canavess was quoted as saying he has no problem   eliminating programs/fat to tighten the budget such as the  band/drill team, not replacing retiring teachers/staff etc...  Has anyone heard if there will be similar cuts here??

[61ndn,row46,50ydln]

I "thought" he might be a pretty good fellow to lead the Indian Nation but I could change my mind real easily if he starts cutting band, Indianetts, etc.  Does he remember who pays his salary?  It is the parents of those kids and the rest of us tax payers.  I think there are places where the district can probably tighten its belt but cutting those types of programs is not in the best interest of anybody.   What is the situation on head dress boxes now?

[bark]

I thought the same thing.  I believe Band,Choir and other programs might cost money they however have been viewed as enrichment programs that enhance and expand students learning beyond the classroom.  I was totally taken back, it seemed as though he was boasting on "making hard decisions" when it comes to finances.  That's all well and good BUT there are also traditions here (Honor, Pride, TRADITION!!!!!!!).  And why would you brag about cutting/not filling staff, eliminating programs?  And this might sound petty but put a tie on we are a 4A district that expects the Administrators to dress professionally, especially at a interview with the leading local newspaper in the Sunday addition.  Look at the Principals/ Asst. Principals they have ties, suit/sportcoats on (to days interview with Arnett).  The board needs to tell this guy we(taxpaying voters) are ALL about programs, having 1st class uniforms, facilities etc... We want to expand programs, opportunities etc... for all students, teachers, staff,athletes,band members and on and on.

We "ain't" Evadale we ARE PNG anything less than the best won't do.

This is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

[bamakid]

In Sundays Bmt. Enterprise Supt. Canavess was quoted as saying he has no problem   eliminating programs/fat to tighten the budget such as the  band/drill team, not replacing retiring teachers/staff etc...  Has anyone heard if there will be similar cuts here??

He would be INSANE... totally out of his mind to start cutting programs.

This is Port Neches-Groves; not Evadale, and certainly not Beaumont. I have never met a teacher or administrator in this district who was not willing to go out of his or her way to start or support a program so long as there was so much as a single student interested in it - interested in putting on a purple and white shirt, uniform, jersey, or polo and representing this school district and this community in some way, shape, or form. In fact, I have found quite the contrary. I can think of several teachers who put in extra time and effort - literally working in their classrooms from 6 in the morning until 7 or 8 at night - to juggle the various programs that students like me participate in. We have a successful school because in this district there is a place for everyone, a program for everyone to participate in, and some way for everyone to contribute. We have a reputation of community support and excellence like that of no other school district in the state of Texas in part because of our relentless dedication to the success and availability of our extra-curricular programs. To start cutting programs based on student participation would be totally contradictory to this district's mission and reputation and would seriously limit its success and that of its students.

And of all things, not replacing retiring teachers? Are we going to start cutting classes, too? What are we going to lose? Astronomy? French? The higher levels of Spanish? Extra AP/LEAP programs such as Calculus I and Physics II? Earth & Space Sciences? Vocational classes such as AC and Welding? All of the classes that help set us apart from the other high schools in this area and make my peers and I well-rounded, successful individuals?

If the budget is the problem, then go "find" another few million dollars. Don't limit my fellow students and I.

[87NDN]

61 NDN  not sure where the boxes stand now. The Jr parents have taken over that fight because the Srs have been given the ok to use theirs .I have had another issue come up because of all of this  that i am dealing with.

[61ndn,row46,50ydln]

Well said, Bandkid!!!

[attakapandn]

is that article online? would like to read it!

[Torino]

I thought the same thing.  I believe Band,Choir and other programs might cost money they however have been viewed as enrichment programs that enhance and expand students learning beyond the classroom.  I was totally taken back, it seemed as though he was boasting on "making hard decisions" when it comes to finances.  That's all well and good BUT there are also traditions here (Honor, Pride, TRADITION!!!!!!!).  And why would you brag about cutting/not filling staff, eliminating programs?  And this might sound petty but put a tie on we are a 4A district that expects the Administrators to dress professionally, especially at a interview with the leading local newspaper in the Sunday addition.  Look at the Principals/ Asst. Principals they have ties, suit/sportcoats on (to days interview with Arnett).  The board needs to tell this guy we(taxpaying voters) are ALL about programs, having 1st class uniforms, facilities etc... We want to expand programs, opportunities etc... for all students, teachers, staff,athletes,band members and on and on.

We "ain't" Evadale we ARE PNG anything less than the best won't do.

This is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Get to know some of the people who hired "Big Cav," and you'll understand why they hired somebody who talks, dresses, and thinks like him.

[bark]

Bandkid, that was a perfect overview of what public education is all about.  The students have a 4 year window in High School to embrace all aspects and levels of Education.  At PNG you can be in the Band/Drill Team(great program), Football (great program), baseball(great program), UIL 10 consecutive District Titles UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!, Cosmetology, mechanics, etc... You are 100% correct, if 1 student/athlete wants to do it, we should accommodate them in everyway.

I am a real strong believer in extracurricular activities.  Studies show those that participate have better grades (no pass no play) and less drug problems(mandatory testing) and less behavior issues (can't be in AEP/ISS)

In short everyone wins.

Leaving for the game early hope to see everone there!!

[87NDN]

For now maybe we should assume that he is a tough talker. he could be saying he would cut if needed but not looking to do it.Give him a littlle time on the job first

[87NDN]

Nothing offical yet but word on the street is jr twirlers will be able to use their own boxes.have not heard from Indianetts

[PNGROW4650YRDLN]

Nothing offical yet but word on the street is jr twirlers will be able to use their own boxes.have not heard from Indianetts

Woooo Whoooo.  I don't have a stake in this issue except for the fact that it has been TRADITION and it looked like someone was trying to snuff it out.  Hopefully the street talk is accurate.  Someone has finally come to their senses.  Now what's good for one should be good for all.  So hopefully the Indianettes will be able to use their own also.

[mllandamlmom]

I have a SR Twirler.  They keep participating in these meetings where a sponsor/admin is telling them "What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas"  Guess what my, 17 yr old is not in Vegas she is at school to be educated and learn her drill.  She is a minor, still under my care & supervision.  I send her to school every morning in hopes she is in good hands.  WONDERING ABOUT SOME? She has no business in Vegas without me..LOL...nor do any sponsors or admin. need to be saying this...which I know it implies, "NOT TO SAY A WORD ABOUT THIS MEETING."  Guess again sponsor and admin., the twirlers are not a sorority or members of a secret society...17 year olds girls are smart enough to know when to speak up regarding comments and threats, these girls know when to bring their parents in on an issue/situation. Keeping a parent up to date of a situation, does not mean these girls are whinning or babies, or that they can't defend themselves....THREATS AND COMMENTS THREATENING SCHOOL KIDS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, I don't care how old the children are.  We put our kids on the bus, drop them off, or supply them with their own transportation to school...I USED TO HAVE A WARM COZY FEELING KNOWING MY KID WAS OUT OF HARMS WAY WHEN SHE WAS IN SCHOOL...NEVER ONCE DID I WORRY ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL / INDIVIDUALS THREATENING MY CHILDREN/KIDS/17 YR OLD UNTIL THIS SCHOOL YEAR.  I am not a happy camper.
I am not talking about anybody behind their back.  This site is for the public viewing, so, spread my words, I don't care who views this or comments back. 

[bark]

For the most part this started in 1970 when Ken Watson hired Comeaux/Detman and they started the secret society of the RockaNoos.  I don't know why they, Briggs and the sponsors, are like this.  We went through it with my Indianette Officer, I know it's hard to grasp BUT these few sponsors really feel empowered and use $$ for the reason not to do things.  As you know these parents have been paying Ms. June, Company D and whoever beginning at age 3 for dance/music lessons do you reaally think a stupid box, headdress stand, yard sign etc... is goint to break these parents?  No because they WANT to sacrifice for their kids to have 1st class stuff.  Look at our 1/2 time I'll kiss your _____ to find anyother group that looks better than ours - and rightfully so.

Voice your opinion to the School Board and son't let up.  WE ARE the customers they should be here to accmadate us as long asd it is within UIL guidelines.  Man, this kind of railroading really fires me up!!!!!!

[mllandamlmom]

I know that there are some secretive groups and events out there.  Don't have a problem with those.  But this is my 2nd Twirler and I didn't have any issues like this before.   My oldest would always let me in on meetings with the band directors, and what ever rumors were surfacing...nothing overwhelming or alarming...I might not have liked what was going on, but I didn't feel like my kid, back then, was being threatened.

We have stepped up the process.   You have to go through the chain of administration.

[attakapandn]

mllandamlmom, i am in total agreement with you on this!  we as parents will protect our child to no end!  I had to deal with sexual harrasment and teacher bullying my child and trust me they know who i am and i got in their faces and trust me not a problem after thet, when your child does not trust a teacher to protect them then as parents we will give them that protections!   too much news on reports of teacher /student relationship for the child not to feel like they can not come to their parents  with any problems!   Today society is not the same as when we were little kids.. too much pressure on our kids nowaays with school work to worry about being threaten by a teacher /admin.  KUDOS for all the parents that do stand up to them!